What ever happened to those white folks from those old photos?

A few months ago from this day of publishing, I had an interesting discussion with a white guy at work.  The subject of riots came up.  Pretty much, he attempted to place a mass association of “riots” to Black Lives Matter protesters.  Fascinated with his thoughts (which severely lacked critical thinking), I threw him a critical thinking question:

“Do you think that Black Live Matter protesters, command riots?”

I had to repeat the question because he was in total shock, as if he had walked from a train wreck, because he didn’t expect to engage in critical thinking.

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Do you think MLK changed this white man’s bigoted social ideology?  Any of them?

He answered no, which was smart; they do not command riots to occur.  It’s a bit stupid to suggest such.  While he did concede the point that BLM do not command riots, he pointed out that the riot association is strong because that’s all the data the media supplies him (you don’t think that’s without intent?) and still, overall, if the protests were PEACEFUL then change would occur.  I pointed out that there’s numerous peaceful protests, they occur all the time.  I as a street photographer (and freelance journalist) have been to many, and can literally report on a lot of knowledge.  I mentioned one 60 miles from our location that happened months prior.  I also mentioned what the media does when they are peaceful protests and vigils — they leave without reporting.  Still, he was unmoved, because to him credentialed media > freelance journalism.  So okay.

“Peaceful?  You mean like Colin Kaepernick?

Once again I saw this white fellow, robbed of breath, beginning to realize what type of corner he walked himself into.  He, a regular white-American male, hates Colin Kaepernick.  He really despises Colin Kaepernick.  He hates his PEACEFUL protest.  It’s really baffling, because he also mentioned MLK which made things even more hilariously awkward.

“Do you think that all whites, or the majority of white people, were behind MLK off of one speech?”

At this point, with the strength of his disdain for Colin Kaepernick and his peaceful protest, I had finalized the convo — I told him that technically, if this were August 1963, he would have been the regular white guy who hated, loathed Martin Luther King.  I was compelled to tell the fellow that white people were NOT all on board when Martin Luther King arrived on the scene.  I had to tell him that he in his white self, technically, was the status quo, and his feelings of Kaepernick and MLK would be congruent.

“The truth is, you would have been one of the ones completely antagonistic to those protesters back then buddy.”

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How many whites you know who would love to do this to any random black protester?

Being that I linked him (and for the most part, most of White America) to those angry, white supremacy defending whites in all the old Civil Rights photographs, I began wondering, where in the hell did they all go?  What ever happened to them?

I began collecting more of these photos.  Being a modern day street photographer essentially crating digging older street photographs made me realize that I’m a part of an old, long lasting American tradition — free press.  The task made me feel like I’m discovering my roots as a professional.  All those photos.  All those faces.

The faces were the same faces we see modern day.  All those angry, yelling, vulgar white faces.  What ever happened to them?  When the Civil Rights Act was placed into law, did all these people just vanish?  Did they all out of nowhere, realize that they were wrong, and we were right, and stopped their racist thoughts and ideologies?

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Look at all of the white people in defense of white supremacy back then.  This is a metaphor for what happens to “SJWs” on social (and conservative) media.  Nothing has changed.

I highly doubt that the white faces in the first Civil Rights Era just automatically let go of their racist ideologies.  Those people only accepted the Civil Rights social change with contempt and learned how to BEHAVE when laws changed.  These old racist white supremacists, similar to insurgents after the collapse of the Iraqi Army in 2003, only laid low, kept their racist ideologies, and waited.  During this wait, there was a refinement of white supremacy.  White supremacy — racism in America — had to adapt, and it did.

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Do you really think this young white male all of a sudden began loving MLK?

While the fellow did not get indignant and rant and rave (probably because he knew facts were on my side), many white men would do just that.  While there’s very few white folks today that would boldly state “keep America white” or something, similar to this photo on the left, the facial expression is still the same.  I cannot tell you how many times I’ve seen that same face in white men when I speak on white supremacy.

Instead of bluntly proclaiming the defense of white supremacy, white men nowaday seek to finesse the same ideological talking points.  Similar to placing an assassin in a dress, these white men seek to soften up the image of white supremacist ideologies.

Being that white supremacists always preferred hoods and masks, nothing really has changed.  Instead of preferring white hoods, they now prefer white lies.  The white, Ku Klux Klan hood, while still existing in reality, has long been abandoned for a metaphorical one: double-speak, coded language, deflections and transference in discussion.  The empty claims of colorblindness while still acknowledging and observing color differences.  The tone policing.  The clinging relationship to ancient symbolic relics of a racist past, all while denying racism modern day.  This blatant dishonesty towards the state of nonwhites in America, serves as a new and improved white hood or mask to shield responsibility and accountability of the State of race relations.  The common German is more accountable and observant of their collective crimes against Jews than the white American is towards their crimes against black and native peoples.

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Couldn’t all these white people be, technically, considered accessories to murder?  Look at their faces.

This is what happened:  When the Civil Rights laws passed, all these racist whites from these photos (and those who were never photographed, which is numbered to be far more) just sat back and never talked about it.  They decided then and there to take their sins silently to their graves, all while letting their grandchildren lie or play stupid, pretending it never took place.  I did it myself; wondered where my dad was in 1963.  1965.  1970.  It’s a shock if white people never thought to think about where their parents were during all of this.  Much like racism itself, I’m sure these whites NEVER talked about it.  Never brought it up.  I said it before… while we as black people are trying to discover our ancestors, white people are stuck trying to forget and bury their klancestors.  Sure, there are a few white folks from this old era, telling their racist stories on their death beds. Trying to make amends, looking for that forgiveness bug that makes the black community so (in)famous.

For the most part, the majority went to hell hating people because of their skin color, which will be the same destination for modern day whites who share the same congruent disdain for a mass of people fighting for their humanity.  As far as these old photos go, nothing has changed.  Tomi Lahren, for example, practically gets paid to be the yelling angry white lady in the article’s face photograph.  White people will continue to attempt to silence abolitionists like myself.  Unfortunately for them, I’m not going anywhere.

Edit: You can read my response to apologies and forced forgiveness here.

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Written by Johnny Silvercloud

The Soul Brother #1 of a Kind. Consequentialist street photographer abolitionist writer/speaker who stands for any oppressed peoples. I do it because every man and woman deserves freedom of thought -- especially black folks.

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  1. I am sure that many have died with hatred in their hearts and many still have that hatred in their hearts. There are numerous videos, shows, books, articles that were written about many of the people in these photos regretting being part of this movement and saying how wrong they were publicly. Opera and several others have done several shows on this exact topic.

    Many of those people later on in life regretted their involvement and did talk about it. There are those racist still lingering attempting to stir things up again and people have come out to condemn them that are attempting to do so. The person that wrote this article must have not done a google search to find any information out there about this topic. He is just bringing up what people did in the 80s and 90s again, which should be revisited often and not forgotten as the writer states.

    The writer makes good points at the beginning with the person/people he is speaking with. The free press in this article just appears to have done no prior research on the photos.

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    1. That may be true for some to regret what they’ve done, however the scars that were left and the lives that were lost, will never be again. Understanding also that their actions were instilled in those around them from their children, to their grandchildren and although they may have regrets, many of their offspring are still carrying this hatred on.

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      1. And that goes for blacks and whites. Hatred is hatred justified or not. I am saddened by the fact that both sides still perpetuate the hate. What was happening with our grandparents doesn’t have to negatively affect or impact our lives now. We all know right from wrong and there are consequences to our actions. My grandpa was a racist but I wasn’t raised that way and don’t harbor any hatred. One of my best friends is black and no not a token black friend. He is someone that we have been friends for a dozen plus years and have been through some things together. He has been someone who has enlightened me about things because I was naive about some things because I wasn’t raised to hate and wasn’t always aware that people were. Social injustice is everywhere and has been for a very long time. It is very much in our face because of news and social media. It is biased a lot of the times and it chooses to show the bad over the good 9 times out of 10 I’m sure. The phrase “can’t we all just get along”? was popular for a few years but I never got it because no we can’t. It’s unfortunate but that’s not who we are as humans. How about can’t we all not over react or can’t we all not be overly sensitive. Even better just because we can doesn’t mean that we should.

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    2. I think I understand what youre trying to say Tom but I believe the Author was merely making a comparison between the people in the photographs and the people today, not necessarily literally but metaphorically. There is similar hate and racism in the faces of the modern day version of these people. Thank you for pointing out that some of the people interviewed in these archived photos came forward to regret their actions. I hope if that they are still around they stand up with a loud voice now.

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    3. We all know some have regretted it, but its pretty obvious many, many have not. I understand what this author is saying completely and hes right.

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    4. People that came out to Oprah aren’t representative to the children and grandchildren that yet carry the very same racist tendencies. The man doesn’t need to research the topic, he lives it everyday.

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    5. Kind of a stupid thought process here. Why would the steadfastly racist ones be going on Oprah? Your ability to presume that “many” of them were repentant bc what? You saw 5, 10, 50, 200 of them say they were sorry and wrong on TV? That’s fucking nothing. An entire race of people were oppressed and enslaved, but since you saw a bunch of sources of people saying they were sorry then I guess you’re right. 150 million Americans in 1950, but all the racist white people then and later must have either died or showed up on Oprah or the SEVERAL others shows or even NUMEROUS other sources. Talk to me when you can throw around the word “millions.”

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  2. Reblogged this on Yankee Skeptic and commented:
    it is an honor to post this. Also there was an interview with the young white woman at the counter, having the drink poured on her head. She made a joke that “as if I wasn’t sweet enough already, they poured that drink on my head!” But, as a child of the 60’s, I was sure this was the last generation for this kind of behavior. THE LAST. And here I am, at the last part of life, seeing it resurge. It is a grief for me, that it just went into hiding. I have a racist brother. Younger than me. His jokes and his barely hidden racism, is now out and proud. It breaks my heart, because I don’t know how it happened to him. At some point he ran into these white people hiding their hate for the sake of being accepted. They influenced him at a time where he wanted acceptance. A broken home and a father without influence, he lost his liberal values for the need to be accepted by his co workers and friends. Now he and others have a President that sets a horrific example. It was never dead, it was just in hiding.

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    1. kittynh, I appreciate your comments. I never thought in my lifetime I’d see racism resurge like it has but I also thought the cold war was over. But i saw the hate and disdain toward Obama and I knew it was back. Right-wingers are sick, angry, fearful people, there’s no other way I can describe them. And they’re bullies and push others around and when you couple them with evangelicals, it’s an unholy alliance of hate. I don’t know that they can be reached but they can be pushed aside if enough of us push. Progressives have been too police and accommodating but not anymore, not me.

      My brother has the same black father as I do, and little brother hates Obama unreasonably (and certainly won’t talk to me) and he looks for proof of and posts about reverse racism all the time. It’s a mental illness.

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      1. LOL you are nuts! “Right wingers” aren’t the problem; it’s people like you spreading ignorance and hatred towards anyone who thinks differently than you do. Based on your delusional comments it appears as though you are a bigot! Look in the mirror before throwing stones at others.

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  3. Thank you, I reposted. This is so so so personal. I grew up in a liberal activist home, in the DC area. We were proud to be liberal. My grandmother and mom did Civil Rights work. We felt it was the end of racism. That we NEEDED THIS, for the next generation to be free of this hate. Then I lost a relative to racism. His parents divorced, and he found a refuge with other young white males that were working class (no college money left for him or myself… my dad spend it on his new wife). He became, a barely hiding it racist. Because joking around with the guys, complaining about their lack of opportunity because of THEM getting all the breaks….the bonding around racism… us against them. It horrified me, that it was even there to ensnare him. I would tell him “Look, if you say that out loud, someone will kill you. Remember, black people can own guns also. Just keep it quiet if you don’t care that you are wrong. Just keep it quiet. Don’t pass this on.” I could only SCARE him into being decent around the family. I was clear, my kids were NEVER going to hear this shit from him. Or else. I also had to do this with an elderly relative. The kids could visit but ONE WORD about the Korean neighbors, or the gays or ANYONE else, and the visits were OFF. But I still can’t change their minds. Can’t reach them. And it makes me so sad, because now that my children are adults. they have chosen to have nothing to do with these relatives. They were “Wow, I can’t believe they voted TRUMP and they are so happy about it.” So we had a little talk about… racism in the family. I had tried to hide it from them. Instead, they did what I should have done long ago… if they can’t change, distance yourself. I was so proud, but also sad I’d never said before “You can’t go visit as she/he is a racist.” We cover and make excuses. It has to stop.

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    1. Yeah, that’s tough. Only my brother is off the deep end, the rest of my family were liberal (my dad less so) but they’re all gone now. I protected my son from racism too and was largely successful, and he’s black. I’m half black. Fortunatelly, he grew up in Seattle during the 90s prosperous times when Washington State USED to have money for schools, but this area is very very white. So i urged him back to my hometown, LA where I’m going too and I’m so grateful that it’s my home bc there are few other places in this freaking country i could or would live. There’s a lot of ignorance and resentment, whipped up by only conservtative and/or white supremacist forces.

      BUT there is change in the air and if we seize it, we can turn things around, I believe. But we have to be kind of in their face about enough of the bullshit, and everything they are (true GOP) is bullshit. Anti-science, anti-choice, anti-school lunches, anti-paying for education, pro-coal, pro-gas. Fuck that. We’ve seen what they do when they’re in charge. Enough is enough.

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  4. A few comments here suggest that all white people are racists, although the original article made no such claim. My mom’s family was Jewish and mom fled Nazi Germany at age 14 and came to America without her parents(who arrived later). When I was growing up in the 1960s, we had Jim Crow Must Go signs in our basement. Lots of weekends, my mom’s friends, black and white, would drop by. pick up signs, and all go marching. My dad was also a liberal, and a shop steward in the steelworkers union. I married a woman who is 3rd generation Mexican-American, adopted and raised a black son, and now have two black grandchildren who I love with all my heart. Through my wife, I have way more black and Mexican family than I have white or Jewish family. I love every one of them and harbor no hatred toward anyone. I may disagree with them on political or religious questions, but I do not hate or consider myself superior due to my genetics. I am a descendant (on my dad’s side) of James Keith, who in the 1630s protected a Native American family from a Puritan plot to murder them for their valued land. My great-grandfather Franklin Howard (also on my dad’s side) found jobs for runaway slaves who arrived in new England via the Underground Railroad. One of Franklin Howard’s cousins, General Oliver Otis Howard, fought at Gettysburg, the battle that turned the tide for the union and against slavery; Oliver later went west to make sure the US lived up to its treaties with native tribes (Oliver Otis Howard was even portrayed in a John Wayne movie!), and he later founded Howard University, the first college for black students. So I come from a long line of non-racist white people. My dad never knew this, but I found out that centuries ago, the Hass family were Ashkenazi Jews in Prussia, now part of Germany. So I have Jewish ancestry on both my mom’s and my dad’s side. Maybe coming from a long history of persecution explains why I am descended from a long line of “libtards.”

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    1. My ‘pedigree’ is not nearly as long and storied as yours (to my knowledge)… my Mom was lucky enough to sit in on one of the Congressional debates for the Civil Rights issues. No, my grandparents and further back weren’t fighting one way or the other in their younger days – they were in a fairly white rural area of the country where my Great Grandfather came close to being lynched for his religion by the KKK.

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    2. Why do so many white people feel the need to defend themselves from a non-existent attack. You’re not racist – super, great, good for you! Do you want a cookie? This isn’t about you. Not everything is.

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  5. Also, all non-Jewish Germans today are Nazi sympathizers – by your “logic” . You, author, are a narrow – minded racist and race-baiter. I don’t even believe in the evolutionist hate concept of multiple human races; we are all one race, period. Grow up, YOU are the problem.

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    1. And btw the actions of those people in the old pics you posted ( all taken well before I was born and perhaps before you were born) is absolutely disgusting, inexcusable, and 180 degrees contrary to anything a believer in Christ should do or believe in their heart.

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      1. Jeremy, Your point on race is made and I agree but it is perhaps better to say we are all one people. Race, as others have pointed out, has no objective reality. It exists in the minds of people only, much as being an American does, it exists only because we have chosen to create the idea. But for us people ideas are powerful and rule our lives and unfortunately ‘race’ is not so easily dismissed by pointing out it is a fiction.

        The author pointedly draws a distinction between what the German state did post holocaust and what the US state did post civil rights reform (and arguably post abolition) and therefore his ‘logic’ would not conclude that all gentile Germans are Nazi sympathisers. Quite the opposite, he claims, i think with some justification “The common German is more accountable and observant of their collective crimes against Jews than the white American is towards their crimes against black and native peoples”. There is a reason for this. Post war the German’s went through Entnazifizierung, ironically at the behest of the US among others. What the US did not do was undergo any form of being de-Jim Crow-ed.

        This is perhaps not surprising and gets to some of the contradictions at the heart of ‘America’. On one level the idea of America is a collection of people with shared ideals and values, what some might even call a community. On the other hand the idea of America is simultaneously a collection of fiercely independent and autonomous individuals (read nuclear family unit for ‘individual’). Americans are renowned for being both patriotic and anti-state. It was enough that the federal state was forcing desegregation on the rules and laws of local communities. It’s easily to see how it would have been a step too far to have tried to de-socialise the racist ideology that brought rise to segregation in the first place.

        it was perhaps a convenient if disingenuous delusion that Americans who pride themselves on being independent thinkers believed changing a few laws would see an end to racist thinking and behaviours. But if your starting point is that your country is a god ordained entity you are unlikely to pose the question of whether there is any rot at the core of society. The first step in undergoing change is recognising change is needed. Until ALL Americans can see themselves in black America then change will always be something someone else needs to do.

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      2. Jeremy, are you saying that because these disturbing pictures of the actions behind them occurred before you were born then anyone who experienced Jim Crow, fought against Jim Crow, or sees the same racial attitudes still alive are engaged in “race baiting” and a problem themselves? There are plenty of people alive who remember all this. Even if I don’t remember it, I myself was born in a segregated hospital in Virginia where my mom got a post birth room with a view, and the nice black mothers were all downstairs in the basement.
        Where does it come from, that irrational view of a person as essentially different because of their color of their skin? And why does it also coexist so seemlessly with the Christian religion, ironically, because I don’t know a single person I have heard utter a racial epithet who has not also turned and professed buzz words of Christianity.

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      3. Except that they now do it for gay people, pretending to themselves that they love the sinner and hate the sin. Actually, quite the opposite.

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    2. The fact that you see this article as an attack on white people, shows that you really didn’t read or understand the point the author was trying to make.

      Racism is decades of slavery and violent subjugation. Racism is how we are treated institutionally, politically and economically. Racism is about power structures.

      Please investigate this topic before even attempting to speak on it.

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    3. Actually, YOU, are the problem; one who dismisses and denies. These people; who lynched our fellow Americans, walk among us and raised children with that same disgusting myth of white superiority…their offspring teach our children, police our streets, and continue to murder people of color without recompense. You, grow up – face truth, and never judge someone whose struggle you will never know.

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  6. The content of this article is fantastic and so incredibly important, but it desperately needs to be edited, as there are several typos and grammatical errors. I apologize for being the English teacher here, but your message and points need to be heard, and grammatical mistakes give others an opportunity to discredit you. (This is honestly a wider critique of our fast-paced era of internet journalism in which there is apparently no time for a proper editing process.) Please take this as an honest, heartfelt, constructive critique and not as a criticism of your brilliant writing. I deeply admire your arguments and could not agree with you more.

    I know that no one likes a pompous grammar nerd, so I will leave you with a humorous observation by Nick Offerman: “The guy who edited Hitler’s speeches was a grammar nazi.”

    Keep up the fight for basic human decency and social justice! The world needs more SJWs like you!

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    1. Trust me I totally understand. Interestingly, the grammar flaws is similar to white privilege — it’s not seen to the person with it.

      I would love to have a dedicated person that edits material before publishing. If you are interested, find me on facebook and we will talk from there.

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      1. Grammar is white privilege. Mind blown. I really hope that was a satirical post, I just can’t tell anymore. The man was giving constructive criticism, he was not attacking you, nor speaking down to you.

        “Critical thinking” you say. So when you critically think “huh, collectively judging my in group (blacks) good, and collectively judging the out group (whites) bad” did you ever critically think that your argument enables critics to use collective judgement on whom you are defending? Or do you cast any and all criticism into the “they must be a bigoted racist white devil” pile?

        If you can blame me for racism that I’m not guilty of (the stuff before my birth), that means I’m allowed to blame you for black crime rates. (in the present, not the past for which you had no control) Logically we are more copable for ongoing problems than the ones before colored film was invented, right?

        I genuinely want to say thank you for the pictures. Anyone that can look at the ones you selected and feel nothing might be borderline sociopathic. Powerful images. I have a great deal of empathy for the black community – I married into one and see the conditions, mistreatment etc. Shoot, I even had a family member cut ties with me because I married a black woman. I just disagree with “social justice” because it crushes the individual. When the individual must face injustice for some vague collective social “justice” no one is safe. I’ll end my little rant by asking and answering my own question.

        What is the smallest and most vulnerable minority? The individual.

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      2. I really enjoyed your article, but blaming lack of a proofreader for grammar issues is a real reach. You’re either a writer or you’re not a writer. Book authors need proofreaders, because you’re talking about hundreds of pages of material and things happen. Newspaper writers have deadlines, because they are often hurried. You could have published this without any errors.

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      3. [I am replying to this post because I cant reply directly to Jb.]

        Jb,

        It does strike me that the ‘grammar critique’ seems to be more often than not directed at non-white writers. And there is often an undertone of “my, my, haven’t you done well? But it’s not quite perfect I’m afraid, better luck next time. Now off you go.”

        JS’s article does not ‘desperately need editing’ if only because all that seems to be wrong with it is that it has ‘several typos and grammatical errors’. It is a bit rich to both laud the article’s content and argument while implying it is unreadable.

        JS’s reply was of course ironic (I am presuming this is what you mean where you use the word ‘satirical’) but i fear the irony passed you by. And he does not say ‘Grammar is white privilege’ (though a whole other essay could be written on that topic). He claims a similarity between ‘grammar flaws’ and ‘white privilege’ and even describes the similarity to which he alludes.

        I can’t speak for Dan Wales or Johnny Silvercloud but if that comment had been directed at me I would feel not heard and spoken down at and grateful I was the posts recipient and not its author.

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      4. To Johnny Silvercloud,
        Bravo!

        To Dan,
        You are so right! Belittling someone’s grammatics while they’re trying to make a solid, important point is a quite pompous angle to take. Poor grammar only discredits if the people are incapable of seeing beyond an improper use of a comma. A good rule of thumb may be that if you need to apologize for a comment ahead of time, then your subconscious might be telling you it’s a bad idea to begin with. My grammatics will be atrocious in this response but I hope you will take this as constructive advice that you may consider “more listening” and “less ironic critiquing”.

        To JB,
        You seem to be suggesting that only individuals advocate for themselves. Should we all ignore whole groups that are generally marginalized across the board? Who does that philosophy serve?

        I’m married to a white man.

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    2. Haha, Dan, my son said the same thing. It read okay to me, not terrible…

      If anyone is interested, Tim Wise and Robin DiAngelo are two white people who speak to other white people on racism and they’re terrific. They write and have videos on youtube, definitely worth checking out. You can learn to be unracist in the comfort of your own home, at least start that process.

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  7. A correction needs to be made regarding this article, the two white men shown with the bloody black man were HELPING him not hurting him, notice the man in the Army hoodie with a rag in his hand and there are other pics shown of them both helping him to walk…. don’t condemn these two men that absolutely became pariah’s to their own people for assisting a black man during such a heated time.

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    1. The more I think of it, the comment on the photo doesn’t directly imply them at all. One fact that does remain absolute is the fact that white people DID injure the man they carry. That, is inescapable.

      Thanks for the concern however.

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      1. Yes, the caption could be interpreted two different ways, just as this photo is often interpreted two different ways – one of them correct, one incorrect. It looks like I’m not the only one who believes the photo was posted using the mistaken context. It deserves clarification, that’s all.

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    2. If that’s true…I can see how it would be misconstrued by their facial expressions being gleeful and smiling….

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  8. come on man why do you assume all people are like that? im sure they got theirs in the end but to think that all white people have pay for what others do thats just low and not the right thing to do.

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    1. You are still benefiting from black suffering. Nobody is asking you to feel guilty, we’re just asking you to be aware and educate yourself on what’s going on. Stop digging your head in the sand with the “we’re all one race!”

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  9. White people do this, white people do that. So sick of reverse racism. I’m a liberal and I’m telling you that blanket statements are ignorant and racist. Plus, you need to get a sixth grade teacher to edit your articles from now on. They need help.

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    1. You sound like a hateful person with your violent rhetoric. You should think about why you are so angry and fix that first Ms. Liberal or whatever you call yourself. That attitude is not going to help.

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    2. Reverse-racism doesn’t exist. Black people can hold prejudice views about white people, but prejudice and racism are not the same thing.

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      1. Reverse racism is a simplistic excuse for their hurt fee fees. Racism in this country is historic and institutional. Recognize that if you want to engage on the topic. And the documentary on Netflix called “13th” is the quickest, easiest, and deepest way to understand race and racism in America.

        I’ve seen it twice and will probably see it again. I love history, especially history on film, and it’s compelling. Pay special attention to Trump’s speeches laid over footage from the 50s… It’s chilling. And then be sure to watch the closing credits which are awesome. “13th”

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  10. I don’t see where the author ever said all white people were racist, he is simply asking what happened when the laws changed, and overt racism was not accepted anymore legally. It’s a perfectly valid question, and since humans learn their beliefs and values from their families and friends at a young age, it would be very interesting to follow up real individuals represented, and how their lives and attitudes developed over time. (I prefer case studies to trace actual historical events.) I have seen some writing on the alliances of sympathetic whites, some of whom became mobilized to take up the cause with African-Americans, because of the shame and horror associated with those atrocities that took place in the name of ‘white superiority’. (The Birmingham church bombing was one such event, and I have forgotten the name of the white lawyer and civic leader there who wrote the editorial for the paper afterward, but it became a call to action, to avoid complicity in the evil reign of terror by the KKK at that time.)

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  11. The photo captioned, “How many whites you know who would love to do this to any random black protester,” is often used for two opposing purposes: showing two white guys with their victim, or showing two white guys helping a bloodied black man. In the context of the article, I think this is meant to depict two white attackers. This is an AP photo from Detroit, June 1943, and the two guys are helping the man off the street – we see this in other photos of the people. This doesn’t contradict your article, but I believe the photo is used out of context.

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  12. I see the complaints, the disdain…..but no one answered his question….WHO AND WHERE ARE THESE WHITE PEOPLE IN THESE PHOTOS?

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  13. White people have caused grievous harm globally, to others, themselves and the planet. This is not reverse racism but history. Use and abuse of power by whites has been far reaching in its destruction. This is not to dismiss similar destructive acts by any other race, however whites have been dominant. The current administration is a true embarrassment in the backward trajectory it aims our society as a whole. This movement is being fueled by instilling derision, division, hatred and greed. These are the principles used by supremacists of the ages to gain power. I am saddened by knowing there are enough fellow Americans who harbor similar enough attitudes to elect this administration. It is truly shameful to see a resurgence of supremacist thought at this point in our history.

    Like an earlier poster, I am a child of the 60’s, from D.C. I never imagined we could go backwards in condoning hatred of others for the color of heir skin or lifting up a people as superior for the same. Hatred, misogyny, condoning of abusive attitudes have been just under the surface and now we see them. What do we do? So easy to feel just heartbroken and powerless.

    These are dark times for our society but this dangerous tide can be turned as we have seen before. We can call out wrong, do what’s right for each other, stand together, be indivisible. Living a life subjected to or exuding hatred and superiority leads only to pain. Really, respect for difference, honor for the sanctity of every life and knowing we are as strong as our weakest link is the way to healing this country.

    I can’t allow myself to believe this will last…..we will overcome.

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    1. Betsy I appreciate your optimism but you will not overcome until everyone is honest about how they got where they are. A significant number of Americans have just supported a campaign ‘Make America Great Again’. If you cannot see how wrong that is I suggest you read Langston Hughes’ poem Let America be America Again.

      For those of us who are not American we look at the unfolding saga with a mixture of horror and hope. Every society’s veins course with a certain level of poison. They all hold the seeds of their own destruction; little cancers that can grow unchecked. One day all Americans will wake and realise how sick the polity really is and when you do i hope and pray you turn to an oncologist and not a faith healer.

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    2. “White people have caused grievous harm globally, to others, themselves and the planet. This is not reverse racism but history. Use and abuse of power by whites has been far reaching in its destruction. ”

      Wow, this is exactly reverse racism! Everyone has done, and is capable of doing this, irregardless of their skin colour throughout history.

      “We can call out wrong, do what’s right for each other, stand together, be indivisible. Living a life subjected to or exuding hatred and superiority leads only to pain.”

      Exactly, so please, for the sake of all of us, stop defining bad people by their skin colour and live by what you have written.

      It is so scary to see people correlating bad actions by people, or groups of people, to skin colour.

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  14. Every race has history of violence, bloodshed and histories of tyranny, war and hatred. If you think that your race is free of this kind of history, than you are fully ignorant of human history.

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  15. Klancestors. Nicely done.

    What happened to some of those is they entered Trump’s White House and “Justice” Department. Jess Sessions is as close to a klansman as we get these days and he’s now attorney general. God help us.

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  16. There is no such thing as “reverse racism”. ANYONE can be prejudice, though. I find it funny how the comments reflect one of the premises of the article. He mentioned, how black Americans are searching for their ancestry, while white Americans are, basically, Dodging theirs as it pertains to taking responsibility for the God awful racial attitudes of the past.

    You will hear many whites proclaim why bring that up or that wasn’t me or why continue to play the victim or, my favorite, just let it go. Can’t let it go if you still get smacked in the face with it.

    I will leave you all with this question for the white readers. Would it shock you all to know that recent polling of racial attitudes of whites towards black people and people of color yield very similar results to the same polls done in the 50s? Its not a coincidence and it speaks to the grand white delusion about the racial divide, who benefits, and why black people who love this country remain angry and extremely critical of it.

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  17. The white racist in those photos are probably begging for a second chance and a gallon of ice water. 1st John 3:15

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  18. ^ stat from the county I grew up in. We were so racist that when kids got lice they were teased more so for looking like a neo-nazi skinhead than for having lice.

    If you ask a white person with a buzz cut if they are a skinhead and they say “hell no, I buzzed it cuz I had lice” now you know they are guilty of:

    “Being that white supremacists always preferred hoods and masks, nothing really has changed. Instead of preferring white hoods, they now prefer white lies. The white, Ku Klux Klan hood, while still existing in reality, has long been abandoned for a metaphorical one; double-speak, coded language, deflections and transference in discussion.”

    You’re welcome for my contribution to your paranoia.

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  19. I can’t understand how you can write this stuff and not see how you are exactly the same as the people you claim do the very same thing to you, or to black people in America.

    Your generalization of people based on their skin colour and gender, two things they cannot control, is exactly what you DON’T want people to do to you. You are labeling people who fall under two insignificant categories and prejudging their behaviour.

    You mention Jews in your article. Are you going to call out a Jewish Holocaust Survivor, who lost their entire family, property, dignity and identity for having white privilege?

    My grandparents lost their entire family (16 brothers and sisters, 4 parents plus countless cousins and friends). Everything taken away from them and yet you define them based purely on their skin colour and gender as having privilege. Did my parents have “white privilege” growing up as a minority in a country that hated Jewish people? That banned them from certain locations, harassed and burned down their places of work, drew swastikas on their homes and in public places?

    In addition you show pictures of white women yet why does your article just repeatedly mentions “white men”

    It is so strange how this is an acceptable thing to do. To complain about unjust rules based on your skin colour while prejudging others based on their skin colour.

    How are you able to write racist and bigoted articles blaming “the white man” for problems in your life.

    If you don’t want to feel prejudice or racism from others who may judge you based on uncontrollable factors, don’t do it to others.

    You don’t know their story and “white men” is hardly a description of one’s personality or beliefs.

    I believe black people in America have suffered tremendously over racist and unfair laws and an extremely unfair society. I think it has improved but still definitely deserves more discussion and solutions. But the fact that you can get away with the above article is very scary. What about the Chines, Japanese, Italians, Irish, Jews, and so many more cultures that had such policies applied to them as well?

    Perhaps you want me to “check my privilege” with this comment. I hope we don’t have to resort to a game of “victim olympics”.

    I really hope one day you, and everyone else, can look passed things like skin colour and gender which have very little to do with people beliefs and attitudes.

    You sound to me like a black supremacist. You have the same strengths and weaknesses as everyone else, regardless of their skin colour. You are no less capable of the same thing you are so admittedly against and you practice it in the open, with no consideration for your own racist and bigoted beliefs.

    It is so sad that this type of rhetoric is acceptable.

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    1. Your response shows that YES you DO reside inside of your privilege. The author was simply putting a question/point of view out in order to get people to think BEYOND what’s comfortable for them. You are indeed maKing it a game of “who was victimised more” or however you phrased it by MENTIONING what jewish people what through. There was and IS a difference. And why is it deemed necessary to try and belittle and thereby discredit his views? The experience that I as a American woman of African heritage experience isn’t something I’d expect you to understand BUT i also I wouldn’t expect to be denigrated about it as you did with this author. He didn’t say ALL white people but i do find it #INTERESTING that you mentioned jewish heritage BUT claimed #whiteness as well. I believe you understand his point…..which is WHY you tried to invalidate his points.

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      1. “Your response shows that YES you DO reside inside of your privilege”

        What is my privilege exactly?

        “There was and IS a difference. And why is it deemed necessary to try and belittle and thereby discredit his views?”

        His question is interesting, but he is a racist. He pointed something interesting out in the title and then went on to blame people based on their skin color and gender. That is racist. Skin color and gender don’t define people.

        “He didn’t say ALL white people but i do find it #INTERESTING that you mentioned jewish heritage BUT claimed #whiteness as well.”

        Why is that interesting? Do you or the author know who a white person is?

        But I guess you’re right, he left out white women even if though his photos show many white women. He just goes on to mention white men over and over again.

        You and the author define people by skin color, ethnicity and gender and then ask not to be judged by that same criteria from others.

        Again, it is so sad that you find this stereotyping and grouping of people by uncontrollable factors ok. People should not be grouped and blamed for things they haven’t done based on their skin color.

        It isn’t funny, it isn’t interesting. It is racist.

        Unless you do think we can make judgements on large groups of people by their skin colour?

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    2. Pete,

      I will pick up on the substance of your critique but first I want to unpick your question “Are you going to call out a Jewish Holocaust Survivor, who lost their entire family, property, dignity and identity for having white privilege?”
      The simple answer is no ‘because Jews aren’t white’. That is if you contend all Jews are descendants of Israelite-Canaanite tribes. Of course it is more complex than that in that many European Jews see themselves as European and therefore white and in every likelihood they are right in that they are predominantly of European ancestry and their Judaism comes from the conversion of their European great, great, great ….. grandparents some time within the last 13 centuries. This does not take away from the fact that in 1930s and 40s Europe they were the victim of white supremacy ideas. It didn’t matter that they weren’t non-white Palestinians. The fact is Nazis decided they were and treated them according to their idea of racial superiority.

      And I suppose we do need to get our terms clear. Being ‘white’ isn’t about having white skin. An African American with albinism is not ‘white’ in the meaning of ‘white people’. White tends to be short hand for people who pretty much exclusively source their ancestry to lets say pre-15th century christian Europe. And the exclusivity point is important – if privilege is to remain ‘privilege’ there must be constraints on who has access to it. If everyone has it it isn’t privilege. As a result while some/most black Americans will have some European ancestry this doesn’t prevent them being ‘black’. Your last president being a case in point. However. having any non-European ancestry excludes someone from being white. Your last president being a case in point.

      And what is this privilege of which so many speak? In very simple terms it is being free to go about ones life un-accosted. I have been stopped by police probably no more than a dozen times in my 53 years. Leaving aside the times i was speeding, 3 stick in my mind. Once was when i was a student on the way to University in Sydney, Australia. The officer was polite but could give no reason for why he stopped me to speak to him. I cannot begin to tell you the outrage i felt at being stopped for no reason. I walked into campus fuming and spent most of the day sharing my indignity with anyone who’d listen. The second was in Amsterdam around midnight. I had since developed a muscle wasting condition and at that time walked with a very odd gait. The plain clothes officers were drugs police, once they realised their error they were extremely apologetic, almost effusively so. It was difficult to be angered by the incident though i wasn’t best pleased.

      The third was in London while I was driving with my ‘disabled parking badge’ on the dashboard. I had seen the police car pass me in a busy city street. It turned around and followed me round a corner and pulled me over. There were 3 of us in the car. Nothing was said but we all knew what it was about. The person who sat next to me was black. The rage and humiliation he was feeling was palpable. The copper asked me to step out of the car, and when he saw me struggling with my legs he stopped me and said not to worry. He became a bit flummoxed and embarrassed. When i asked why he had stopped us he struggled a bit and said he just wanted to check i was entitled to have a disabled parking badge. Even he realised how preposterous this was. Even if it didn’t belong to anyone in the car its possession wouldn’t have been a criminal offence. He didn’t even bother to check it was mine! He beat a hasty retreat. It is completely ludicrous to think the metropolitan police have the resources to be checking parking badges on cars that aren’t even parked.

      And where is the privilege here? Please go and ask your black friends, family, neighbors and colleagues to recount their encounters with the police and do the same with white equivalents. And note in my encounters no police officer has ever laid a hand on me, ever touched me. Never.

      This is just one aspect of the privilege I enjoy everyday of my life. Please Pete, think on.

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      1. This is exactly my point.

        If you believe that black people are harassed more by police officers it is an exact illustration of my point. You don’t like that a cop might stop you for “being black” because they might assume you are more likely to be causing some kind of trouble.

        But you find it perfectly OK for someone to write and publish an article about what “white men” are doing or thinking.

        You are doing the exact same thing you don’t want police officers to do, judge and classify you by your skin colour or gender.

        I can get into a discussion about what privilege is and isn’t but that’s a whole other topic. I am simply saying that is unacceptable to define people by uncontrollable factors which the author continues to do in his posts here. It’s disgusting and backwards.

        You have no idea what MY experiences have been. “Privilege” is relative and subjective. We all have bad and good things happening to us.

        “The fact is Nazis decided they were and treated them according to their idea of racial superiority.”

        Exactly! We want to be treated as individuals yet the author continues to group people by race, gender etc… You either believe race is a defining factor for an individual or it is not. The former you are racially profiling, the later is what we should really be striving for.

        “The simple answer is no ‘because Jews aren’t white’. That is if you contend all Jews are descendants of Israelite-Canaanite tribes.”

        Technically you are exactly right, but they may look white. In fact, so many people are mixed race now you can hardly define people so narrowly anymore by a specific race. Which is what my point is. You can’t judge someone by their skin colour.

        You don’t want to be judged but it, the author doesn’t want it, I don’t want it and neither does anyone else. It is fighting racism with more racism.

        So many communities have felt discrimination. It is not acceptable to blame it on the “white man”.

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      2. Thanks Pete,

        I think your point is that there is hypocrisy at the core of JS’s article in that while (I believe you argue) he is critical of white racist actions towards black people (physical violence and loud angry abuse and threats) his article is a black racist action towards white people (accusations of being racist and harbouring race based hatred). If so, I have to disagree with both your argument and your conclusion.

        I am not sure he has said in this article that white people are racist because they are white. In the same way that a racist would say that race X is [add in your own negative adjective] because they are race X.

        I define a racist as someone who firstly believes that all people can be categorised into specific groupings called ‘race’ and secondly that these race categories define something intrinsically different between the groups of people (and presumably something common amongst the people within each group). Thirdly the differences between the groups can be differentially valued so that one group and all its members can be shown to be superior to another group.

        The third point is an interesting one because there will be those who argue ‘equal but different’. Frankly I find this a rather spurious argument and begs the question of why one would have a notion of race in the first place.

        So, it follows that if you can separate people into different groups of different value you can then reasonably and rationally relate differently to the members of those groups.

        I have outlined the above in a rather anodyne if not sanitised manner for a deliberate reason. Because when you do it suggests these ideas can exist in a morally neutral space. Treating someone differently need not equate to treating someone badly. If it was backed up by a robust morality then different treatment can be right, proper and fair.

        There are two problems with this. One, there are no examples of this ever happening (despite the revisionists who contend in the face of overwhelming contradictory evidence that ‘black people were better off under slavery’). Secondly, if the premise is untrue, i.e. that being a member of the group doesn’t make you different in the way the theory of race would contend then the arbitrary differential relations must impose stress on and eventually damage to the psyche of those people involved in those artificial relationships. In the absence of a rational basis different treatment is bad precisely because it is different.

        Further, I define racism as the experience of having your life experiences and life choices fundamentally and negatively informed and impacted based on the collective actions of racists. I have deliberately used both ‘negatively’ and ‘fundamentally’ to distinguish racism from, for example, ‘white privilege’ which in general bestows a positive rather than negative experience on the recipient, and those one off experiences, such as how you feel about JS’s post, which may piss you off but doesn’t fundamentally impact your lived experience.

        But, it is not my contention that JS is not a hypocrite simply because I don’t consider his writing to result in racism (in that it is not part of a non-existent more systematic oppression of white people). I don’t think JS is being a hypocrite because I don’t believe he is saying in his article that racist thinking is an inherent characteristic of white people. What I take from his thesis is this –
        1. That when some black Americans asserted their rights to eat, travel, toilet, congregate, swim, be schooled in etc. the same public places as any other American citizen that they were violently opposed by some white Americans and he provides the photographic evidence.

        2. That following these actions the law was changed providing a legal protection to those rights.

        3. That since that time the violent opposition has receded (somewhat) begging the question as to whether the racist thinking that informed that violence had also receded.

        4. He posits the theory that rather than those people recanting their racist ideology they simply went silent on the subject (at least in public). He also posits that the ideology itself has evolved in how it is expressed and the demands it makes.

        5. He argues evidence for this in the white opposition to BLM (and I would add in the support garnered for certain planks in the Trump platform)

        I do not consider that individual examples (one of the angry white girls grew up to renounce her membership of the mob, two of the white men photographed were helpers not assailants) undermines his argument.

        This is a think piece, an opinion paper. It is not claiming to be scientific. It argues that the idea of race is at the heart of the culture[s] of [most] white Americans. This is not a racist statement, it may be untrue, or an overstatement but it is not racist. If he said ‘all white people were biologically disposed to see non-existent differences in people based on skin colour’ then that would be racist (it wouldn’t however make you a victim of racism because you would be free to laugh it off and get on with your life)

        You wrote “But you find it perfectly OK for someone to write and publish an article about what “white men” are doing or thinking.” That is correct. I am perfectly content for someone to write about what they believe white men do and think just as I am content for people to write about the actions and thought processes of Australians, the disabled, gay men, immigrants, government employees, property owners, Christians etc etc. When they do I either see myself in what they write, or I do not – either because they’re wrong or I am in denial.

        I accept that such writing can be constructed in ways that are unwarranted attacks on their subject, or incitements to violence. But this is not what JS has done. He is not calling for the insurrection of all white people. He is calling out white peoples racism and I do not believe this ‘calling out’ is in anyway diminished because he does not in this same article call out the myriad other injustices that have been committed by other peoples in any place at any time.

        It is an uncomfortable truth but as an active member of a very complex and increasingly globalised society my participation is part of the glue that holds it altogether and many of the decision I make, like the taxes I pay, the organisations I work for, or the purchases I make all support the actions of others. My innocent motivations for buying cheap clothing or letting my taxes fund the criminal justice system are not an adequate defence for my complicity in the actions of those who exploit their workers or protect rogue cops. I can’t proudly proclaim my allegiance to a country and then absolve myself of collective responsibility for what that same country allows to happen to its citizens.

        If I am not prepared to see myself as part of the problem then I will never be part of the solution. So, where to from here? – you could do worse than read this http://www.tolerance.org/supplement/white-anti-racism-living-legacy or even check out these courses http://www.wpcr-boston.org/ . I am not vouching for them but they might provide a useful next step.

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      3. Thanks Pete,

        I think your point is that there is hypocrisy at the core of JS’s article in that while (I believe you argue) he is critical of white racist actions towards black people (physical violence and loud angry abuse and threats) his article is a black racist action towards white people (accusations of being racist and harbouring race based hatred). If so, I have to disagree with both your argument and your conclusion.

        I am not sure he has said in this article that white people are racist because they are white. In the same way that a racist would say that race X is [add in your own negative adjective] because they are race X.

        I define a racist as someone who firstly believes that all people can be categorised into specific groupings called ‘race’ and secondly that these race categories define something intrinsically different between the groups of people (and presumably something common amongst the people within each group). Thirdly the differences between the groups can be differentially valued so that one group and all its members can be shown to be superior to another group.

        The third point is an interesting one because there will be those who argue ‘equal but different’. Frankly I find this a rather spurious argument and begs the question of why one would have a notion of race in the first place.

        So, it follows that if you can separate people into different groups of different value you can then reasonably and rationally relate differently to the members of those groups.

        I have outlined the above in a rather anodyne if not sanitised manner for a deliberate reason. Because when you do it suggests these ideas can exist in a morally neutral space. Treating someone differently need not equate to treating someone badly. If it was backed up by a robust morality then different treatment can be right, proper and fair.

        There are two problems with this. One, there are no examples of this ever happening (despite the revisionists who contend in the face of overwhelming contradictory evidence that ‘black people were better off under slavery’). Secondly, if the premise is untrue, i.e. that being a member of the group doesn’t make you different in the way the theory of race would contend then the arbitrary differential relations must impose stress on and eventually damage to the psyche of those people involved in those artificial relationships. In the absence of a rational basis different treatment is bad precisely because it is different.

        Further, I define racism as the experience of having your life experiences and life choices fundamentally and negatively informed and impacted based on the collective actions of racists. I have deliberately used both ‘negatively’ and ‘fundamentally’ to distinguish racism from, for example, ‘white privilege’ which in general bestows a positive rather than negative experience on the recipient, and those one off experiences, such as how you feel about JS’s post, which may piss you off but doesn’t fundamentally impact your lived experience.

        But, it is not my contention that JS is not a hypocrite simply because I don’t consider his writing to result in racism (in that it is not part of a non-existent more systematic oppression of white people). I don’t think JS is being a hypocrite because I don’t believe he is saying in his article that racist thinking is an inherent characteristic of white people. What I take from his thesis is this –

        1. That when some black Americans asserted their rights to eat, travel, toilet, congregate, swim, be schooled in etc. the same public places as any other American citizen that they were violently opposed by some white Americans and he provides the photographic evidence.

        2. That following these actions the law was changed providing a legal protection to those rights.

        3. That since that time the violent opposition has receded (somewhat) begging the question as to whether the racist thinking that informed that violence had also receded.

        4. He posits the theory that rather than those people recanting their racist ideology they simply went silent on the subject (at least in public). He also posits that the ideology itself has evolved in how it is expressed and the demands it makes.

        5. He argues evidence for this in the white opposition to BLM (and I would add in the support garnered for certain planks in the Trump platform)

        I do not consider that individual examples (one of the angry white girls grew up to renounce her membership of the mob, two of the white men photographed were helpers not assailants) undermines his argument.

        This is a think piece, an opinion paper. It is not claiming to be scientific. It argues that the idea of race is at the heart of the culture[s] of [most] white Americans. This is not a racist statement, it may be untrue, or an overstatement but it is not racist. If he said ‘all white people were biologically disposed to see non-existent differences in people based on skin colour’ then that would be racist (it wouldn’t however make you a victim of racism because you would be free to laugh it off and get on with your life)

        You wrote “But you find it perfectly OK for someone to write and publish an article about what “white men” are doing or thinking.” That is correct. I am perfectly content for someone to write about what they believe white men do and think just as I am content for people to write about the actions and thought processes of Australians, the disabled, gay men, immigrants, government employees, property owners, Christians etc etc. When they do I either see myself in what they write, or I do not – either because they’re wrong or I am in denial.

        I accept that such writing can be constructed in ways that are unwarranted attacks on their subject, or incitements to violence. But this is not what JS has done. He is not calling for the insurrection of all white people. He is calling out white peoples racism and I do not believe this ‘calling out’ is in anyway diminished because he does not in this same article call out the myriad other injustices that have been committed by other peoples in any place at any time.

        It is an uncomfortable truth but as an active member of a very complex and increasingly globalised society my participation is part of the glue that holds it altogether and many of the decision I make, like the taxes I pay, the organisations I work for, or the purchases I make all support the actions of others. My innocent motivations for buying cheap clothing or letting my taxes fund the criminal justice system are not an adequate defence for my complicity in the actions of those who exploit their workers or protect rogue cops. I can’t proudly proclaim my allegiance to a country and then absolve myself of collective responsibility for what that same country allows to happen to its citizens.

        If I am not prepared to see myself as part of the problem then I will never be part of the solution. So, where to from here? – you could do worse than read this http://www.tolerance.org/supplement/white-anti-racism-living-legacy or check out this website http://www.wpcr-boston.org/

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  20. I was really disapointed. I thought that the writer had tracked down a bunch of people from old photographs and learned something about them. Instead Mr. Silvercloud made up something out of his own immagination fed by his own preconceived notions, ideology/agenda… If it was informed by life experiences it was not clearly apparent.

    I am aware that there are some racists in the US, and that not all of them are white. Part of the seeming hysteria around the subject involves confusing racism and stereotyping.

    Racism is about power over others that some have- or want to have- and promote, protect, or defend or extend\expand in some way under any excuse ( or none ). The justifications do not need to have any connection to reality; they are about feeling you are still a good person while you simultaneously want to treat others unfairly. There are some people who assume that people without power cannot be racist. However, people without power can WANT power over others….based on race. Racism is about that.

    Stereotyping is fundamentally different: It is rooted in human instincts for finding patterns and associations to build mental shortcuts that save time/effort while providing a reasonably accurate picture of the world, constantly updated and fine tuned as new information comes in.

    I once had a person in my life who was otherwise a nice and sensible person….but who was very negative in their views of blacks. Why would a sane, intelligent adult hold such ‘racist’ attitudes? I asked. This person had worked in inner city schools for years. They had lots of negative experience with blacks. Telling someone like that to feel that blacks are “equal” is telling them to ignore the evidence of their eyes and life experience built up over years.

    When women were not educated, it was normal to regard them as mentally inferior. When Irish immigrants were drunks with different hygene habits from the local norms, stereotypes followed experience & observation. Church groups and temperance groups preached the evils of alcohol and otherwise helped them assimilate. The Irish immigrants changed over time as did people’s experiences with them…from Irish drunk to Irish cop. Telling people to ignore their eyes and stop calling them dirty drunks would have done no good if they didn’t sober up first.

    Today there is little real discussion about what experiences shake stereotypes and change minds most effectively to combat alleged “racism” (or steriotyping). That might admit that thoughts and feelings are shaped by experience…and not all experiences are equal. It might even open the door to considering whether some stereotypes are….reality based.

    You could call it the law of large numbers, but in any very large group some people act foolishly. Some act in violation of the law. The % of minorities (or majorities) accused of various types of crime does not necessarily match their representation in the population. Some groups are statistically less (or more) likely to engage in violent crime. Some are more (or less) likely than others to participate in white collar crime…or any other category. Statistics can be manipulated, but when not abused can reveal parts of reality outside the small part that touches us. Facts are not racist. Facts ARE. We need to change some facts, not pretty them up by telling folks they are evil if they are just seeing something people don’t like and daring to say so.

    Real racism is different. It is fundamentally at odds with reality. It is about the desire to abuse others and feel righteous doing it, and it is fundamentally evil. Real racists may have ‘reasons’ or justifications for how they feel or what they want, but they don’t have to be grounded in reality.

    Example: For some ‘social justice’ is code for revenge against people who never wronged them. It is going to be their turn to discriminate against those not part of their tribe, their race. Us against them based on the color of someone’s skin. Wanting to protect or expand on a power base that is race based does not mean they have power over others to abuse or that they lost such power….but they can covet it and justify their desires.

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  21. I agree with so much of what you say but still have a hard time with the fact that you lump every white person together by saying “whites”. Is is no better than the stereotypical racist whom generalize and stereotype…yes chances are I have lineage, some whom were racist but I take what I have learned and try and teach equality to my children…and even stubborn old folk…It becomes hurtful to the white people who support your humanity when their color of skin gets them thrown in the same place as racist white people…there has been evil since way before African slaves were bought and sold and by many different races…white people seem to get the bullseye tho…either way I support equal rights to all, hope one day my daughter never feels ashamed to date a person of a different race…she is 4 and tucks her black dolls in right next to her white ones!

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  22. You think there is more than one race? Many races? Please take the time to read something to enlighten your mind. Don’t be afraid. The Truth shall set you free.
    http://www.pbs.org/race/000_About/002_04-background-02-09.htm

    Check YOUR FACTS please, not opinions, things you were taught or want with all your heart to believe. There is one “RACE” and it’s the HUMAN RACE. “RACE” is a relatively recent invention, an ideology. It’s origin can be pinpointed to a specific point in American History to a specific person for specific historical reason, to divide and create free labor: All about he money. Ethnic variation but one race. smh I know it’s so hard for some people to believe they are really no different from people of every hue. But it’s true. I’m half Irish and the other half of me is of African decent. But according to a racial ideology that makes me “black”. Why is that? I could have blond hair, and blue eyes and the fairest skin, but somehow my African roots relate me to be classified as “Black”. Absurd. Asian and Mexican mixed children. What are they? Are they made to choose? Mexican and White children, are they forced to be considered as Mexican? But Blackness is somehow strikingly fearsome or “whiteness” considered so pure that mixed children were considered an abomination into the 1960s in America, because of a made of notion to justify the enslavement of people from the continent.

    And yes, many of those in the mobs lynching Black people just as many of the people who to proudly proclaim white supremacy are believers in Christ, good Christians and even use their Christian faith to justify their beliefs and actions. City on a hill, Puritain ideals which led to the Salem Witch trials. History should not be forgotten or ignored.

    I now it must be difficult to suddenly realize you harbor racist feelings or that the feelings you have are indeed racist, to accept that there is such a thing as unearned privilege. Race consciousness is so ingrained in our country that mixed people like me benefit from being mixed because were “closer” to white, even though were looked at as or choose to accept the singular identity as “black” because we can’t “choose” to say we’re white. I’m mixed, African and Irish, actually a little more Irish than African. My dad with a little melanin and my mom with a lot, created me with a fair complexion. I have a distinctly different amount a melanin not black not white, features from both my parents. I’m as fair as tanned whites. And yet the fear is so real that some people need to see me as a different race. It’s quite insane in 2017, but so many things are.

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  23. Like insurgents after the fall of the Iraqi army? I get what you’re trying to say in this piece, but that’s a horrible/random metaphor with very little parallels.

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  24. While you have very legitimate feelings and questions, I believe you assume that humanity never changes. And I don’t agree with that. Some decades ago people didn’t have access to information, to debates and to widespread knowledge about law and people’s equality. Surely, we still have a lots of problems to solve. Humanity is doing it’s evolutionary walk. But comparing a today’s racist with a racist from those times doesn’t seem like a good point to me. I would prefer to see a real picture of today’s racist, instead of “look, those guys are really the same ol sh*t”. Sure, there will always be plenty of idiots in the world, but it doesn’t mean it is the same kind of idiots. I personally believe that now this racist people suffer a huge amount of external pressure, telling they are wrong. And that means a lot already. It didn’t use to be like that, back when those pictures were made. By the way, racism is a human problem and not a problem of white people only. Look what happened in Ruanda, for instance. Look at social system in India, where if you are born from a certain poor family you are going to die poor. Blaming white male for all human problems, and all racism, is not faire. So many white people are very engaged in fighting this. Lots of people from lots of colors have to exorcise the demons from the past. And we should keep on fighting without looking back. Past is past. We have to fight the problems of the present.

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    1. What happened in Ruanda was the direct result of Belgien social engineering. Those people were doing just fine until Leopold’s colonialisation lead to desputes over who would occupy what rung of an artificially imposed european-style hierarchy.
      Any attempt to describe the strife between the Tutsi and Huttu as “homegrown” is due to ignorance (at best) or simply not quite honest.

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  25. Look up the image that you captioned “How many whites you know who would love to do this to any random black protester?” you don’t know the history behind that image if you put it in this article. That image is of two servicemen helping that injured man escape a race riot.

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    1. Many would be nearly septgenerians or octogenarians by now, so if they could even manage to light their AARP cards on fire they’re doing good .

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  26. I have one issue with the second photo.

    That was taken from a race riot in 1943 in Detroit. The two white men dragged the bloodied black man to safety, they didn’t attack him. The man on the left has a cloth in his hand he used to try to clean the victim up. The man on the right has a pained expression on his face. There’s another photo out there of the same two men walking the third to safety.

    So for the sake of their memories, please don’t lump them with the violent racists. Those two did the right thing.

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  27. Old white liberal here. Seems like there is the stuff of a documentary here. Or maybe a novel. Would be interesting to explore what happened to those white folks in the photos. Did any of them have regrets? Did any change their views? How many are still alive or went to their graves and still hold the animus they held then?

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  28. My Grandmother helped disabled children whom society shunned. Her husband and my Granddad taught at Phillips High School during the height of desegregation which was at the time one of, if not the best high school in Birmingham, AL. Although I think he struggled at great length with this issue he pretty much dared me to face this thought head on and not mistreat anyone, ever, for any reason. He saw the injustice and did not cower. He always taught me to fight for the underdog because we can’t always understand why people do what they do until we have to walk a mile in their shoes. My other set of grandparents lived in mortal fear of black people, and rarely had the guts to face one…so their opinion holds no weight to me.

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  29. So should Whites also get to take credit for all the achievements in modern science, medicine, engineering? Or do we just have to be ashamed of the bad deeds? What about your ancestors in Africa who captured their fellow man and sold them into slavery? Or who cannibalized (FACT) other tribesmen, then sold their wives and kids to the White, Arab, Jewish, and Black slave traders?

    Pathetic article that adds nothing new, nor helpful. Hackneyed, and sophomoric… And very poorly written, with elementary grammatical errors. Reflection of typical low-IQ person who refuses to move forward, and can only play identity politics.

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  30. While the title is deceiving. It was intreging enough to draw people to read the authors thoughts. I’d submit: Kudos.
    Regarding the bases of the article, most of what was stated is correct. For those who had family members protest against, human rights, inequality etc and constantly refuse to admit America was build on lies, deceit, murder and off the backs on slaves are delusional. For those who say they personally had nothing to do with what happen…way back then…need to remember, what their ancestors practiced and participated in, must understand, like it or not, are benefactors of their ancestors actions today.

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  31. Great article! Only 1 comment/correction: the photo that you show of two white men just barely holding up an injured black guy isn’t what you think it is. When I first learned of this photograph in particular, I was outraged enough to dig up some facts behind it. Turns out that these two white guys came upon the black man and tried to save him. They were not the perpetrators of that man’s attack, and they in no way supported the racists. I’ll see if I can find the article and pass it along.

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  32. And now that we are the minorty- you all are starting to take our rights away. We will not lose our rights, so you all can live off your ancestors coat tails. If I was any color other than white- I would have had college paid for because of my grades. I pay financially more then you have to. I support you! Why don’t you all support us for awhile again. Just because we felt sorry for you and gave and gave and gave. Now we look at it, white males are not represented in any way. The only reason why I am is because I am a woman. There is no benefit being a white male, they pay the most and get nothing for it because of their gender and race.

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  33. Hi Camber, can I ask a few questions? Do you mean to say that whites are a statistical minority in the US? How are white males not represented – do you mean in government or something else? What rights have we (I’m a white male) had taken away? I look forward to hearing from you!

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  34. I don’t completely agree with this article. I think civil rights laws in place can actually encourage not just tolerance but even encourage embracement of diversity. Not everyone can be a moral leader or have integrated high principles of justice in their upbringing, but having the law guide their behavior can support the instances when they do know right from wrong. (That is what religious law does.) But people in fact do change. Just Google ex-KKK members who are profoundly sorry for their past. Or even look at Glenn Beck, a conservative radio talk show host who now defends BLM. Sometimes people have epiphanies and move towards acceptance of equality, and these can be facilitated with institutional support (read the the Supreme Court Justice Ruth Ginsburg’s oral arguments and opinions in Obergefell v Hodges).

    That being said, I hope the same people complaining about violence in protest riots are standing 100% behind the Colin Kapaernicks and Chris Longs of the world!

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    1. Peter C, that has to be the most un-American thing I have read on these postings. The law is NOT about making good people. It is about controlling bad people. Even I, a diehard socialist who would happily extol the virtues of the socialising influence of public policy would balk at so explicitly using the criminal code as a tool for social engineering. And besides it just doesn’t work. Anti-segregationist laws haven’t ushered in an era of social equality anymore than the use of the criminal code to subjugate black Americans has ushered in an era of civil quiescence.

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  35. Yeah his convo with the white guy never happened. He made the guy up to serve as the perfect sounding board to make his points. However valid his thoughts may be, he diminishes the meaningfulness by conjuring up a fictitious conversation.

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    1. Yeah Janisir never registered JS’s thoughts as valid. He made up the ‘fake news’ that JS didn’t speak with any white guy to deflect his contempt for the arguments put. However valid his critique may be, he diminishes himself by not presenting them and instead conjuring up a libelous slur.

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  36. Sir, I know I have and continue to make mistakes. I ask only for forgiveness for myself and those who truly want to do better. With honest and open discourse, love, teachings and learning together, we can help the upcoming generations know a world where this type of hatred has no place. We can start today, but it will take a generation to see significant change. And for that, I have hope.

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  37. Agree wholeheartedly with all. Agree that Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr did not, could not, change racist social ideologies. He did, however, live courageously the life which God ordained for him. And He did that brilliantly.

    No political process can change men’s evil hearts. William Wilberforce worked tirelessly to abolish the slave trade. And that was certainly the right thing to do for our world. History shows us, as you have stated here, that making the buying and selling of human beings illegal does nothing to change hatred.

    I believe that,like the author of the blog attached below states, only God can change any man.

    http://dotheword.org/2012/10/19/why-neither-nonviolence-nor-violence-are-ever-the-right-strategies-the-great-insight-that-all-great-men-of-history-can-only-ever-get-from-jesus/

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  38. Some racists crackers don’t even bother pretending to not be racist. Consider those Duck Dynasty assholes who claimed everything was better back in the segregated south because he never saw any black person get mistreated and they were all so happy.

    Akin to my history teacher cleaning slavery wasn’t so bad because owners probably had an incentive to treat their slaves well.

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  39. I was very intrigued by your article. I hadn’t really ever thought about it from that perspective. Like it was a million years ago. But these people are still alive. My mom was a civil rights activist. She was one of the first white teachers in an integrated school. She had crosses burned in her yard and was threatened very frequently. So growing up I had a very different perspective about that time. I am now an historian at a plantation. I try very diligently to tell the past and to tell the truth. I do think that attitudes have changed. I started school in 1979 and my generation was the very first to never know segregation. We do still have a long way to go but I find that dialogue is breaking down. I wish that more people would have honest conversations. I don’t feel you get any where without honest conversations. So thanks for starting one.

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  40. JOHNNY SILVERCLOUD, As another black guy and one that “sounds white”, I think your assessment of where the racist ppl and that racism of the 50’s and 60’s went, is not entirely complete. I think that it went into those exclusive white only clubs that exist outside of our seeing eye. When I did telephone sales, on several occasions, I was invited in with a white male customers of all ages. I remember this one customer (I assume was in his 20s from the south) asked me if I meant nigger-rig when I told him that he would have to custom install the radio he was interested in into his car. Needless to say it caught me off guard, but I am glad I remembered that I could be recorded (and lose my job) if I allowed myself into my feelings. I finished the call and he bought the radio from me, and I took a break. I took a moment and realized that I had to figure out a way to professionally tell these people about themselves and expose them to their ignorance and still leave them with their dignity.

    Anyway my point with the story is to say that that hatred has been passed down and refined. It has been relegated to the back rooms until such a time as this. Those ppl never stayed quiet, they just “creatively” kept it to themselves and others they trusted.They also brainwashed themselves into thinking that their views are not racist but more of being proud of who they are: white. So much so that when black people talk about Black history month, you hear the deflection of reverse racism and/or the need for a white history month…all of this coming from ppl who claim to be progressive or middle america. Trump capitalized on these folks because they could once again be proud to be unapologetically white….MIDDLE SUBURBIA…not the extremes but the middle. So as you did in your story, we have to realize that this way of thinking is not the extreme; it is right around the corner with our neighbors, co-workers, etc. We have to understand that when we call someone racist, the defenses go up, deflection and denial go up – for they have been taught that racism looks like the KKK, and they are not the KKK so thusly reverse racism. By understanding why they act as they do, we might just might be able to effectively have a conversation that may challenge their mindset and maybe get them to renew their minds…even if afterwards you don’t agree. We have to figure out human dignity in these differences and show our humanity in all of this…I know that my last few statements were off topic of where those racist ppl went, but I felt compelled to share.

    Respect for what you are doing

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    1. Hi Anthony – I liked this article very much and respect your views, as always. It’s a complex reality and most white people should read this – but they will not. Unfortunate.

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